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Is a student from China taking my kid’s college slot?

As state funding for public universities drops, do the chances of your son or daughter getting in the University of Michigan also drop? That’s the question parents are asking, as U-M and Michigan State University increase the shares of their incoming classes that are made up of out-of-state and international students.

Bridge uses the charts below to tell parents what they need to know about the trends — and whether their concerns are valid.

14 comments from Bridge readers.Add mine!

  1. Andy

    While I appreciate the experimentation with format, I’m not thrilled with the slideshow method used here. I think it would be more user-friendly to at least include a version with all charts on the same page in conventional, non-slideshow format.

    1. Gene

      If you click on (show picture list) above the slide show images you will get what you are asking for in your comment. Took me a moment to realize this myself.

  2. Brian Jackson

    hate the slide show format. It gave my computer fits, and rather have article with statements from university to get a better perspective. I am not sure the slide did the universities justice of the fact that we have less high school graduates and they have the similar chance as past graduating classes in the past to being accepted to MSU or U of M.

    1. Ron French

      Duly noted Brian. We’re switching the format in a few minutes to something we hope will be easier to navigate. Thanks for commenting – we’re learning as we go.

  3. Judy Putnam

    I think this is an excellent example of infographics. Great job!

  4. Earl Newman

    If we continue to try to support our world-class universities on the cheap, surely there will be shrinkage in the number of “slots” available for our home grown children.

    One of the factors that makes our “selective” institutions so valuable and their degrees so dsi8rable is that they enroll quality students from all over the world.

    The answer to this source of worry is not to shut out the world but to return to financing higher education in our state at historic levels. Tell this to the governor and the legislature

  5. Earl Newman

    If we continue to reduce state funding to our world-class universities as we have in recent years, surely there will be shrinkage in the number of “slots” available for our home grown children. One of the factors that makes our “selective” institutions so valuable and their degrees so desirable is that they enroll quality students from all over the world.

    The answer to this source of worry is not to shut out the world but to return financing higher education in our state to historic levels. Tell this to the governor and the legislature.

    1. samover2013

      On the Cheap …hmm check out how much of your taxpayer money comming from washington goes to the colleges and university. America recovery act they amount the alumit pay/donate. Pell grants and our lottery /casinos e pay dearly for EDUCATION…question is WHO IS EDUCATED …lets see the boks from the colleges and university ..when professor get $ 800 000 a year plus etc etc

      1. Joe Gillis

        From your writing, it’s clear that you are not college-educated….

  6. Caroline

    Very nicely done slideshow – I could quickly, easily and clearly ascertain all the relevant information. I appreciate the effort to ‘change it up’ a bit. Don’t we spend enough time a day reading b & w text!!?? Many thanks and well done…..and interesting information (as I’ve thrown my app in the Grad school pile, any chance some Grad stats are coming next?? :)

    1. Ron French

      good idea! And thanks for your feedback on the slide show. It’s an experiment so we’re eager hear what works and doesn’t work. Good luck with grad school.

  7. EB

    We have some world class universities and they are in demand, not just in Michigan, but around the world.

    When these schools enroll the world’s best, this lifts the bar for all students at the school and makes the schools even more sought after by the world’s best students and the world’s best teachers.

    There was a point, not more than a few decades ago, where 80-90% of the costs of running UM and MSU were born by Michigan taxpayers. Today UM support by the state is down to 10.7% and I think MSU around 22%. If these school want to remain world class schools, they have only one choice: raise tuition.

    If I was on the Board of Regents at the UM, I’d be seriously thinking about rejecting all money from the state and using only tuition and other funding sources. I’d look into this to get out from under the micromanagement intrusions by the state legislature and the funding whims of the legislature (e.g. a 15% cut 2 years ago). In-state and out-of-state tuition rates would likely then be the same. There is enough demand for their services that I doubt UM would have any difficulty finding enough students willing to pay.

    The MSU Board of Trustees should do some long range planning to do the same thing and for the same reasons.

    The only surprises in the list of schools were CMU and Wayne State. Because Wayne State is a research school, I would have thought Wayne State’s out-of-state enrollment to be much higher and because CMU is not a research school, I expected their out-of-state enrollment to be much lower.

    Our public support of public schools at all levels is pitiful and selfish. Our ancestors generously supported my generation’s education; we’ve become too selfish to continue this tradition.

    1. Joe

      A couple things. Michigan universities are getting more expensive while the quality in many programs is falling. I’m a Wayne State University graduate student paying a credit hour premium and paying 50% more in interest for unsubsidized loans than undergraduates, yet more of my classes are taught by Phd students than full professors. Those full professors are writing books and doing consultant work on the side. In fact, its known that professors show more interest in foreign students because of potential consultant jobs in the foreign students’ countries.

      Second, the end game for foreign students is not to take a US citizen’s college slot but to eventually take their jobs as described in this Bloomberg article:

      I personally know two married Chinese students that came here as students and eventually became doctors and permanent residents. They didn’t create any jobs, just replaced US students in an Indiana medical school. I don’t blame them. I blame a system in the US that is founded on importing bright students and professionals after they have been educated here or overseas. It’s cheaper to import foreign doctors than to build a new medical school. Many demonize illegal immigrants but it is the flow of professionals that are taking jobs from US born university graduates. Illegal immigrants just don’t have their financial and academic resources to enter legally.

  8. SC

    While I appreciate the attention to an important public policy issue, I take issue with the sensational nature of the headline. The aniti-Chinese, xenophobic headline is not worthy of this publication. Further, the facts presented in the slideshow show that with declining Michigan high school graduates, UM and MSU have not decreased the likelihood of a Michigan student attending either UM or MSU.

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