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Original article URL: http://bridgemi.com/2016/11/rural-white-michigan-thumbs-nose-at-clinton-backs-trump/

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Rural Michigan thumbs nose at Clinton, backs Trump

We should have known it was going to be close.

With all the attention both Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave Michigan in the days and hours before the election, it was clear — at least to the candidates — that the state was in play.

The story of the 2016 presidential race, and Trump’s narrow victory in Michigan, can be found in the sharp change of fortune for the Democratic nominee outside major metro areas. In these smaller corners of the state, enthusiasm for Trump was dramatically underappreciated by pollsters and pundits alike. These voters cast huge numbers for Trump’s populist appeal, decisively flipping 12 pro-Obama counties and rolling up far larger margins for Trump in smaller counties across the state. Clinton was unable to sufficiently compensate in Democratic urban strongholds like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw and Muskegon.

As Wednesday dawns, here are three takeaways from the state’s 2016 presidential vote:

Change trumps establishment

President Barack Obama is as popular as he’s ever been, leading Clinton to essentially campaign for a third Obama term. But Obama did not face nearly the level of anger over lost manufacturing jobs and anti-free-trade sentiment that has buffeted Clinton in 2016. Early election data show Clinton woefully underperformed, getting 425,000 fewer votes than Obama earned in 2012. That’s a huge shift that pre-election polls did not reflect — most had Clinton winning the state. Most of those lost votes went to Trump and, to a lesser extent, third-party candidate Gary Johnson, who netted more than 166,000 votes in the state, nearly 4 percent of the total vote.

Overall turnout was down by over 215,000 votes but it appears those who decided to stay home were more likely Democrats than Republicans: While GOP standard bearer Mitt Romney lost the state 54-45 in 2012, Trump remains slightly ahead of Clinton early Wednesday.

Smaller counties roar for Trump

To appreciate the GOP resurgence in the presidential race, head to midsize or smaller counties across the state, from the Upper Peninsula to the Ohio border, from Great Lakes Huron to Michigan, where Trump outperformed past Republicans by breathtaking margins.

Consider: In Michigan’s 62 least populous counties, Trump bested Clinton by more than 267,000 votes — well more than double the margin that President George W. Bush won those counties in 2004, when Republicans came the closest to beating a Democrat since 1998. Bush still lost by more than 165,000 that year.

Tuesday’s vote included party flips across much of the state.

Look first at Monroe County, a mid-size county of about 150,000 and home to DTE’s largest coal electric generator, several large manufacturers and thousands of acres of farmland. Nearly 92 percent of the population is white. It had voted for the Republican presidential nominee in 2000 and 2004, but switched to Obama in 2008 and 2012.

In these four previous elections, the victor in Monroe won by no more than 3,300 votes (Obama in 2008). On Tuesday, Trump took 16,400 more votes than Clinton.

A similar tale emerges in Calhoun County, home to Battle Creek in south central Michigan, where President Obama won by 6,000 votes in 2008. Trump carried the county by 7,300 votes on Tuesday, a complete reversal. Along the Lake Huron shoreline, he picked up tens of thousands of more votes.

In Bay County, tucked along Saginaw Bay, voters backed the Democratic nominee in each of the last four elections, giving Al Gore, John Kerry and Obama a victory of, on average, 5,800 votes. Trump won the county, among the hardest hit by the steep decline in manufacturing, by nearly 7,000 votes.

In one of the reddest counties in Michigan, Ottawa, Trump actually underperformed Romney, getting nearly 2,000 fewer votes. But that was overcompensated by gains in outlying areas in West Michigan, like Newaygo County, where Trump far outdistanced Romney’s numbers.

Enthusiasm gap in metro areas

Another surprise hinted at for weeks: Underwhelming support for Clinton in larger cities and metro regions. Minority voters backed her by big margins, but turnout appeared to be down.

Three huge counties with the largest minority populations, Wayne, Saginaw and Genesee, suffered the biggest drop in turnout, down between 4 and 6 percent. Clinton got 119,000 fewer votes in those counties than Obama did in 2012; Trump got 26,000 more votes than Romney in those counties.

Clinton underperformed in Genesee County — home to Flint, with its unprecedented lead water crisis, a scandal that has seen most of the blame falling on state Republicans. Her vote total was less than any of the last four Democratic nominees.

Clinton’s victory margins in Wayne and Oakland counties just could not overcome the heartland support for Trump.
In Oakland County north of Detroit, among the wealthiest and most educated in the country, Clinton actually did slightly better than Obama in 2012, winning by nearly 54,000 votes, 1,360 votes better than the President.
But just to the east, in Macomb County, home to numerous auto plants, Trump’s anti-trade, pro-worker rhetoric resonated and he won by more than 48,000 votes, a staggering 64,000 vote swing from 2012 when blue-collar Macomb backed President Obama.

Even in some places where Clinton won, she lost ground from Obama’s races. In Muskegon County along Lake Michigan, Clinton won but by fewer than 800 votes. In the previous four elections, Muskegon County typically gave the Democrat a 13,800 lead.

56 comments from Bridge readers.Add mine!

  1. John Q.

    In 4 years, will these rural areas have experienced a resurgence under a Trump presidency? If not, it opens the door for Democrats to recapture some of these votes.

  2. Keit

    The voters who elected Trump because they believe the system is broken failed in their attempt to fix it . The senators and congressmen who are a part of that ” broken government ” are still in place after this election . If the system is broken then replace all of the broken pieces not just the president .

    1. Rich

      The Senators and Congressmen for the last 6 years offered up many solutions and fixes to what needed to be fixed, only to have the door slammed in their faces by the one in the executive office. So glad to hear Speaker of the House Ryan’s remarks this morning that with a unified government, they are already talking about fixing the many things that need to be fixed.

      1. Ruth

        Very big of him after obstructing everything Mr Obama has tried to do.

        1. OldCarMan

          Yeah like all BHO has done… crickets…
          Those on here that fear for this country, are welcome to leave and go to Canada, better yet, Mexico or Guatemala. Take the esteemed celebrities with you. Trump can’t do any worse than an no experience community organizer controlled by socialist money. He couldn’t do anything besides the failed ACA, when the Dems controlled Congress. He di back all kinds of failed Fed giveaways to his buddies like Solyndra and A123 battery makers. Didn’t prosecute the crooked bankers and mortgagors. Never got us out of the Middle East, and in fact destabilized Libya, adding another ISIS component. Never mind enabling and encouraging Iran to further destabilize what’s left of the Middle East. There are too many more to list, but his legacy will be just the first half black President.

      2. John

        Yeah Ryan has a plan to “fix” government and hopes a clueless Trump will go along for the ride. First there’s social security & medicare. Privatize both, give social security to the financial industry to loot and turn medicare into a voucher plan with fixed annual benefits & you can take some of your decreased social security income & buy insurance policies to cover the rest. That’s for the seniors who voted for a Trump / republican dominated government. Then for the working class there’s the elimination of the minimum wage so expect the drive to the bottom of the wage scale can match third world income standards. Then for the collage level and younger there will be the charter school version of Trump University. Finally for the citizens in general there’s the infrastructure investment that won’t happen as the tea party faction that will dominate the congress with it’s mindless “smaller government” dogma will reject any of the necessary funding for fixing infrastructure. So expect more communities like Flint MI with failing water systems. Finally after making government unworkable there will be the great sell off as Ryan’s goal of privatizing as much of the public sphere as he can get away with kicks in and people like his sponsors the Koch Brothers get public assets at fire sale prices. Yep Ryan & company have a plan for unified government but unless your part of the 1 percent don’t expect it to be anything good.

  3. William C Plumpe

    Trump is not my President and never ever will be.
    I do not support arrogance, ignorance and hatred
    even if it is all a clever sales pitch.
    Or let us hope that is all it is—a clever sales pitch.
    Arrogance, ignorance and hate is never ever acceptable.
    I fear for America and fear that we have taken the
    first step down a dark path that leads eventually
    to a knock on the door in the middle of the night
    by the brown shirts in jackboots.
    America has disgraced its history and tradition
    by electing a loud mouthed, egotistical bully and demagogue to be President.
    I am ashamed to be called a American.
    The world is laughing at us and with good reason.
    And I bet Trump’s good buddy Putin is toasting Trump’s victory
    because soon Putin will have a good friend in the White House
    maybe even a stooge and that can’t be good in any way.
    You voted him in America making a huge mistake.
    You will have to deal with it not me. Not my fault if things get fubar.
    And don’t blame me or come crying when you get
    the knock on the door in the middle of the night.
    American has not been made any greater nor will
    it ever be with Trump as President—only much, much worse.

    1. Denise

      You are so right. In Europe this spring I had folks ask if we in America had gone mad. I fear for our country.

      1. Mark

        Denise and William Plumpe – Please Move out of country. We wish you well.

        1. blufox

          Now that’s what I call an intelligent suggestion.

          Why don’t YOU go back to Germany, 1934?

    2. Cathy Seblonka

      The world is not laughing; they are scared and have no words to describe what happened. Except perhaps for Putin.

    3. Jim H

      Wow! Not to fret. Canada is just a bridge away (or if you are looking for a full dose of governmental mothering) just a plane ride away from Venezuela.

    4. Rich

      I could have written the exact same words that you did if Hillary had won. There are two sides to every story. Real people live with that.

    5. Shelley

      Very well said.

    6. Cynthia Miller

      Exactly my sentiments!

    7. Jeri

      Mr. Plumpe,

      You say, you do not support arrogance, ignorance, and hatred even if it is all a clever sales pitch. Yet Hillary Clinton has demonstrated all of these characteristics in spades. I could easily add several more disturbing attributes to her list. However, I perfer to focus on more positive areas to move our nation forward.

      President-elect Trump, is a bit rough in the way he expresses himself sometimes. After all, he is accustom to dealing with constrution workers rather than slick politicians. He has a great many attributes, if you had taken the time to learn more about them. He has raised very well mannered and accomplished children. Neither he or any of his children smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs. They work for the Trump organizations but didn’t start at the top but learned the busiiness fro the bottom up. While, he has bragged about what he has and can do; he has never bragged about the nice and chairtable things he has done for others. I was very impressed when people from all walks of life started comming forward with stories of kindness Mr Trump has shown to people. No big display but private stories about that receiving help because Mr Trump read about a misforture in the newspaper, a young man on the street broke and out of work that Trump offered him a job and treated him like family, Several others that have worked for Trump have said how trump has treated all his employees like family. He is kind and generous but expects others to carry their weight , be responsible and good citizens. Many have commented how he listens to them and gathers information, and has a plan before jumping into a project. In addition, he doesn’t quit; if something doesn’t go as planned he makes adjustments and pushes forward. I could go on with a lot more examples but you get the idea.

      He knows bussiness and recognizes the trouble our nation is in; high unemployment, low GDP, excessive debt, poor education system, 47%welfare, healthcare not affordable, invasion of illegal aliens and refugees that won’t learn English or assimilate into our culture but want us to cater to their third world country cultures. But the biggest plus of all; I can see and feel how much he loves America and has respect for our military! That’s something I haven’t seen from the government in 8 very long years.

      He is a decent, hardworking man that takes care of his family, his employees and I believe he will take care of the USA tand bring back the respect other countries had for us in the past. I know he won”t go around the world apologizeing and bowing to other rulers for the USA. I pray you, and others that think like you, won’t try to undermine what we can do with his insight and encouragement. If we all work together, the Government will get out of the peoples way, follow the Constitution, and the elite and illegals have to abide by our laws too, and we act like Proud Americans we can accomplish anything.

      Oh yes, you might try a little meditation, you could benefit getting a little harmony in your soul.
      god Bless and God Bless America!

    8. Rick J

      Arrogance, ignorance and hate is only acceptable from you then?
      What a hypocrite.
      Trump is about god and country, he is a patriot and believes in law and order.
      You can you can arrogantly hate him in your ignorance because you are american. And he is fighting to protect your rights and preserve what past generations have died building for us as free men giving you that right.
      Hillary and Obama were and still are, declaring war on our bill of rights by, in almost every case stepping outside law and order.

    9. duane

      William,

      What should we measure to prove you are right, should we measure the economy such as GDP, gross employment, gross wages, capital investment? Should we measure illegal aliens? Should we measure the murders in Chicago? What should we measure fighting around the world? Should we measure how the Russians, the Iranians, the North Koreans are threatening us? How the Chinese are trading with us? How our allies are treated and how they treat us? Measure the number of people in poverty, on food stamps, on welfare?

      If you are so sure he is so bad what do you want us to measure to prove you right?

  4. marco

    After 8 years of Obama, it will be very difficult to turn things around in 4 years. In the case of rural America, that task will be enormous. I just listened to Obama speaking about the election, and he apparently believes the country actually is in better shape than when he was first elected. I guess not enough people agreed with him.

    1. Robert Kleine

      Do you even remember what it was like when Obama took over. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month, the budget deficit was $1.4 trillion, auto sales were 10.5 million, the unemployment rate was over 8%, and we had troops dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have gained 15 million jobs, the unemployment rate is below 5%, this year real wages and median incomes increased at the fastest rate in years, auto sales are at record levels (17.4 million units), the budget deficit is about $500 billion (still too high but down by about $1 trillion), federal spending since 2009 has increased at the slowest rate since the 1920s (0.8%), corporate profits and the stock market are at all time highs, and few of our troops are dying in foreign lands. Is everything perfect, no, but it is a hell of a lot better than it was 8 years ago. If you can’t see that you need to get out more.

  5. Bernadine Bennett

    Why would Michigan go red? We are already red. Governor, legislature, and supreme court. Look at us. Terrible roads, high car insurance rates, emergency managers taking elected officials jobs away, Flint..no explanation there, term limits with the elected legislators all looking for new lobbying jobs. We almost didn’t get extended Medicaid.the voters don’t seem to understand who has the purse strings and makes the laws. If Trump does what he says he is going to do, God help us. If not, he is the liar we know he is. He was part of the no job problem by using other countries to do his manufacturing and, as a good citizen, he paid no taxes on his big profits in the US using immigrant labor. Bad judgement voters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Dennis

    The American People have spoken with our election in a Representative Republic….not a democracy. The big losers during this election was the distrust of the MEDIA and JOURNALIST in our system.

    1. David Waymire

      And why do you think that is?

  7. Kevin Grand

    Does anyone know why it took Wayne County (Detroit?) until late Wednesday morning in order to come up with a final tally?

    Now, I know that there wouldn’t be any monkey-business going on during that time.

    1. FARfarAway

      My guess is that there were problems with the tally machines and they had to hand count – or hand feed lots of ballots after they were fixed. Everyone I spoke to yesterday who voted in the burbs reported short / no lines and smooth voting. The 2 people I heard from that voted in Detroit and Ecorse both experienced problems and delays at their polling place. The voter in Detroit said that the tally machine stopped working right after they voted so they started putting all of the ballots off to the side to be fed in the machine once it was fixed. The Ecorse voter said they didn’t even have ballots at 7am! After waiting 30 minutes they had to leave for work and then return in the evening to vote.

      1. Kevin Grand

        Since we were informed by Janice Winfrey that everything was running smoothly (and I trust her about as much as anyone in Detroit), that sounds like the most logical answer.

        It’s a shame though, than no one else in the local media felt that this story was worth mentioning.

        They need to spend less time playing cheerleader and more time kicking over rocks when things like this crop up.

  8. PH

    Although I am not happy with many things Trump has said or his behavior, I am more appalled that Clinton can break Federal laws and get away with it. For anyone that does not believe that the FBI and others were paid off to “not see her wrongdoings” you are truly naive and blind to just how corrupt our government is. I think Michiganders are fed up with a system that does not work; gives to the lazy and takes from the hard-working. Me being in middle-class, I am tired of working long hard hours everyday just to see Detroiters get their free food, free money and free healthcare!
    While Trump may have offended many (myself included), I hope he comes in and cleans house and runs our government like a thriving business. Let’s make money, make jobs, get people off their butts and make this a fair and just nation. I am sick & tired of same ole’ Politics where the people we elect do nothing but help themselves.
    Thanks God we did not get another 4 years of Obama and of the Clinton lies and corruption. I hope Trump, a non-politician, shakes things up straight again!

    1. Laura Carter Callow

      The E-mail charges against Hillary are as false as all the other charges that have been hurled at her for more than 20 years. Seventy-million dollars of taxpayer money was spent on investigating White Water. It turned out to be a bad real estate deal just as she claimed in the first place. Then there was Benghazi, Benghazi 24/7 for months. Yes, four people died which is tragic. However, over 200 marines died in Beirut, Lebanon when Reagan was president and no one blamed him or his Secretary of State. Three previous Secretaries of Stater, Madelyn Albright, Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell all used private E-mail servers. Colin Powell has said that the charges against Hillary on this issue is a “witch hunt.’ Finally, I find the FBI’s false charges very scary. And all of you, regardless of party, should too.

  9. LH

    What a choice we were faced with this year! As a woman who has battled sexism and discrimination throughout a career in a male-dominated field, I have looked forward to the day when I can vote for a woman for president. But this year, when I had that chance, my choice was to vote for an arrogant misogynist jerk with no foreign policy experience and no clue as to how government functions, vs. a woman who is morally bankrupt, corrupt, a political whore, and whose primary qualification for office is that she was previously part of the “Billary” White House. So I held my nose and voted for Trump, the most distasteful choice I have ever voted for. I believe his choice of Pence as a running mate shows that he is capable of picking qualified people for his team, and I hope and pray that he will make wise choices for his cabinet, especially in the area of foreign policy. I hope and pray he has sense enough to keep his mouth shut when tact and diplomacy are called for in dealing with other countries and cultures. But even with the trepidation I feel about his presidency, I feel this country would be far worse off under Clinton. Our economy cannot withstand another four years of runaway deficit spending, or four more years of trying to fix problems simply by throwing more taxpayer dollars at them. We simply cannot afford to send every kid to college on the taxpayer’s dime, or solve the health care issue by launching an ill-conceived solution that has now proven to be seriously flawed. More of the same is not acceptable.

    1. JohnS

      I sure hope Trump,s team does not hope to battle global warming with nuclear winter.

    2. duane

      LH,

      The way I approached voting for Trump was he was results oriented, he recognized each role that is necessary in achieving those results and he fulfilled the role that was called for.

      The campaigning is a different role than governing, he reallized that the old style of issues campaigning was changed it was about personality [the media, the Democrats, the Republicans attacked him personally] so he became the personality that became more brazen with each attack made about him. He was showing the people he saw needed representation that he wasn’t intimidated by anyone or anything [he was not ‘politically correct’]. He was out spend by Hillary’s campaign, he did everything the media and the Democrats said was wrong, He did what the role required.

      No he is preparing for the Presidency so he has a new role, transition into office, and he will become what is necessary for that role. In January when he becomes President it will be a new role and he will become what is necessary, he will be different internationally [not afraid to lead from the front], domestically he will be trying to help all people do better [not give them more, but facilitate the creation of opportunities for them to DO better], and in DC he will work with [identifying what needs changes and working with other to address the details]. And when necessary he will be that brash promoter that won the election.

      I suspect he will be more energetic and involved than we realize he can be.

      He has had to learn to identify the needs to achieve the desired results and he will adapt to meet those needs, he will identify the role he will need to play and he will make it happen.

      He talked about being unpredictable, he surely created that image both at home and aboard, now watch to see how he uses it to achieve the results he talked about in the campaign [that the media, Democrats, and some Republicans didn’t hear]. He heard the voters, and those that voted for him were listening to what he said. Those that didn’t vote for him were listening to what the media and Democrats wanted them to believe.

      I may have been put off by his some of what he said, but he was the only one that was speaking to my disappointment over the passed few decades.

    3. Robert Kleine

      Are you aware that federal spending since 2009 has increased at the slowest rate since the 1920s (0.8%) and the deficit is $I trillion lower than when Obama took office. Also are you aware that the deficit has increased under every Republican president since Nixon, and declined under Clinton and Obama. The main reason is tax cuts. Every time we have cut taxes the deficit has increased. Our new president has proposed the largest tax cuts in history. Estimates are that the tax cuts will reduce revenues by about $6 trillion over the next decade and another $10 trillion in the following decade. If these tax cuts are enacted the debt will explode.

  10. Barry Visel

    I noticed on several other state maps last night a real distinction between rural and urban counties. I’m guessing that if each county in the US got one electoral vote (regardless of population size) I think Trump would have won in a huge landslide. Perhaps Bridge could investigate this a little more.

    1. John C

      Another option would be to go with the actual votes.
      Whoever gets the most votes wins.

      1. Sue Woodard

        “Whoever gets the most votes wins” would be Hillary.

    2. John Q. Public

      You should read Baker v. Carr.

    3. Scott Roelofs

      Barry, you beat me to this point. In Michigan Clinton won 8 counties, Trump won 75 counties. In other states Clinton won a majority of counties in only California, Vermont, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and maybe New Mexico. That leaves 45 states in which Trump won a majoirity of counties. A similar tally has been present in most presidential elections in recent decades. The country is very divided between urban areas and rural areas. The democrats dominate large cities and big college towns. The republicans generally dominate the rural areas. There are a very few exceptions to this generality. My theory is that the big population areas and university towns enjoy a disproportionate share of government money: social services, infrastructure spending, government grants, government jobs, etc. People living in those areas benefit from big government and want to see it continue and grow. Small town America feels it subsidizes the urban areas.

      1. John Q. Public

        Messrs. Visel and Roelofs wish upon us a system in which the vote of Keweenaw County, pop. 2168, carries the same electoral weight as Wayne, pop. 1,759,335. Further, Luce and Ontonagon, with a combined population of about 12,500, get twice the vote of Oakland, 1,242,304.

        So the votes of fewer than 15,000 people should carry 50% more weight than the votes of 3,000,000? Get lost.

        The U.S. Supreme Court already ruled against this very system more than fifty years ago in Gray v. Sanders.

        1. Scott Roelofs

          Mr. Public (Mr. Anonymous):
          I made no such wish about counting a small county as equal to a large county. You infer too much. I simply point out the huge divide between rural America and urban America. The architects of our nation devised an electoral sytem which works quite well, and I see no reason to change it.

          It is interesting that in our process for adopting a constitutional amendment, each state is given equal weight. If this method was used for this election, Trump would have won 31 states to 19 states.

      2. Mike Wilkinson

        Scott: Yes, some of the counties with higher percentages were among Clinton’s victorious counties. But so was Oakland and Washtenaw. Here is a list of those counties with enough population to be included iin most recent Census data and sorted, high to low, in support for Clinton

        1. Mike Wilkinson

          County Rank, food stamp percentage Clinton % Trump %
          Washtenaw 24 68.4 26.9
          Wayne 1 66.8 29.5
          Ingham 12 60.5 33.6
          Kalamazoo 12 53.3 40.5
          Genesee 3 52.3 42.3
          Oakland 23 51.7 43.6
          Marquette 15 48.8 44.5
          Muskegon 4 47.5 46.6
          Saginaw 2 47.1 48.3
          Kent 16 45.2 48.3
          Isabella 11 45 48.7
          Eaton 21 44.1 49.6
          Macomb 14 42.1 53.6
          Calhoun 7 41.1 53.6
          Berrien 9 41 53.8
          Bay 8 40.9 53.5

  11. Tam

    “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say nothing at all. ” Thumper’s mother. If we are to move forward as a country, we must join the Clintons and embrace the color purple. It is truly a time of together we stand divided we fall. Enough of the negative rhetoric dumped on us by the media garbage trucks – Let us all unite and support the goal of Peace in the world and an America standing tall to make that happen.

  12. Sarah

    Let’s hear it for the farmers and rednecks!!! Yay!!!

  13. Laurie

    Yes, there are two sides, and two perspectives, and they are radically different in many ways. This is certainly no Republican mandate, with Clinton and Trump neck and neck in the popular vote. So where is the middle ground in US politics? If Trump is to be president of all Americans, as he claims he will be, there needs to be compromise in the middle, the very foundation of our democracy and something that re-districting has virtually destroyed. I’m a Democrat, but longing for the days of Milliken Republicans. Remember them?

  14. JohnG

    Thumbs its nose?? Wouldn’t it be more neutral to say that rural Michigan breathes a sigh of relief now that Hillary Clinton’s assault on their homes, families, and communities has been averted for now?

  15. OldCarMan

    Dear Blufix-
    Apparently you have no idea who has been running the country for at least the 8 years, if not 20. The socialist Soros and the oligarch bankers, media, and party elites have reduced democracy here to a joke. Comparing this win by the public to Nazi Germany, ignores the rampant and obvious public, administration, political party, or media corruption that would do Himmler proud. The very fact you can support the socialist dreamers or 1984-style deceit by the elites, shows how clueless you are when it hits you in the face. Sad. Very sad…

  16. ronald phillips

    It is wonderful when people speak their minds. Enjoy!

  17. Waterboy

    Ick, I thought, hoped, we could quit wasting our time on unproven conspiracy theories, hate comments, and indictments of actions based on hot air and start trying to fix some of our problems. But if we can’t agree we have some problems we might as well dump the republic and move on.
    Every 4 years we get this media show which feeds dissatisfaction and anger then we all run our and vote our emotions and complain about the results for another 4 years. Unsustainable. Perhaps we need to try something new. Like termed, public funded elections. Or Fair redistricting that give a voice to voters not party hacks who make the primary decision. Or perhaps an interest in what is going on the other 364 days.

    1. duane

      Waterboy,

      We hear what we are listening for, and the media will feed it as fast as they can.

      I want to stay with the system as is, it allows for a peaceful revolution every 4 years and a peaceful mini warning protest every 2 years.

      It is great, especially when you look at the media and the campaigns as entertainment, then listen to those rare moments of policy. And for me I look at what and how they have achieve any results that have. A simple indicator to me was, Trump was under public/government scrutiny [with potential consequences] while Clinton was allowed to hired things from the public and was held about the government consequences.

  18. Brad

    Yes, President Obama has a high approval percentage. Please don’t confuse his personal popularity with his job performance. He is unique — we separate person from the policy.

    I still think he is a very likeable person. I disagree with upwards of 90% of the policies he has put in place or has proposed.

    This is a factor well missed.

  19. David

    To his great surprise, Trump was elected by a collection of voters who actually believed his story. Like Bush II, Trump is beyond his depth in with regard to governance, although he would never admit it. So he will be depending on his retinue to devise policies, much as Bush II depended on Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle and Condi. Expect to hear more from Christie, Carson, Pence, Gingrich, Giuliani, members of his family (including the guy that kills elephants) and Jeff Sessions. Perhaps even Vladimir and Bashir will be consulted. We are living in interesting times.

  20. 10x25mm

    Think you will find that Hillary’s vote deficit vis a vis Obama 2012 is due to further declines in SE Michigan’s urban population centers. Not slack turnout of the Democratic base.

    The Census Bureau’s annual population estimates may be as far off as they were in the 2000’s. This would also explain the low labor force participation – declining numbers of legal (eligible to vote) workers.

  21. Dewey

    My fellow Macomb Township residents made their choice very clear: Drumpf signs abounded. I never said they were smart, did I?

    1. duane

      Dewey,

      And that lack of respect for those who disagree with you and those in government is why those you disdain came out in such numbers and voted for Trump.

  22. Angie Z

    When will Mr. Trump release his tax returns as promised??

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